After reading about how some Ford PU owners are using HHO and how they are making it, a thought occurred to me, that maybe spending cash on SS to build test units is a waste of cash.
These Ford owners, are using pails (5 gal) and coat hangers build large, multiple spiral wound cells, for the extra power and mileage in those huge Ford engines. They dont seem to care if the life of the wire is only months, they can be replaced easily and cheaply.
Making minor cell changes like width, length, spacing, material thickness, adding neutral plates, etc could be costly if limited to SS. Try your designs using more readily available materials first, then when your satisfied, make it permanent with SS. Granted some of the materials in different SS grades will either assist the production, hinder the production, or do nothing to help, but thats a later concern, far less than the other considerations.
If you were to make 20 changes before you were happy with the output, then changed to SS, the overall cost would be considerably less, than working with SS the whole time.
What I’d like to see done is make a set of plates, that the spacing could be changed by say turning a screw, then taking readings on output, energy in, and varying solutions to find an optimal spacing , catalyst solution, and energy in for best efficiency. Now that would be of immense help to everyone. Anyone have any thoughts on how to set up variable plate spacing?
Then a quick way to add and remove neutral plates to find an optimum number again for best production and heat control. Any thoughts on how that could be done? Maybe combining the variable spacing and adding neutral plates?
Every plate style could be checked that way, then maybe output efficiency could be brought up to a respectable high rate thats more than usable as a fuel saving device.
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Do you have a link to the ford pu / coathanger / bucket cell?
no i dont, and tried to find it again, but you know how that goes!
their basic idea or design was to spiral wrap coathangers around a pipe, adjust them for equal spacing, and then screw them together from the ends so the terminals are top and bottom. (spacing was maintained with rubber pieces) The bottom one gets bent back to the top, so both come thru the lid, after mounting all the coils thru the lid, they are connected in series or parallel that your using. The lids generrally have a spout for filling, mount a 1/2″ or better exit port fitting for the gas, mount he bucket in the box, run wires, fuse and switch, bubbler and hoses. Sounded like they were using it like a NOS or Oxy boost for racing, pickup pulls, etc.
I agree and am looking for the same thing, a test system and a way to test it. One thought was opposing bolts in a piece of PVC pipe. If you put a nut, metal washer, rubber washer, metal washer, nut on each bolt they would be pistons and should hold the internal pressure. Put a cap on the ends of the PVC, drill a hole and thread it. Now the two bolts are opposed and you can adjust the gap while it’s running by screwing the bolts in or out. The PVC part of the contraption would be a cap, pipe, T connector, pipe, cap. Put another piece of pipe on the T connector to capture the HHO and you could also look down it to see the gap. Send me an email and I’ll send you a picture.
I’m also thinking about wrapping wire around the bolts and making them electro magnets. This should be easy since most of the bolt will not be in solution.
As for testing quantity and quality: the only thing I’ve come up with is a Bunsen burner and boil water to determine BTUs.
In my simple experiments I’ve not seen where gap matters. Electrolysis is a redox process and I believe this will only happen on the surface of the electrode.
I’m looking at coils and capacitors to build a bounce circuit to see if I can get the same electron to go through the system multiple times.
I’m also looking into programmable ICs. This would allow me to control the electronics with software.
sounds like a start…..
but the bolt, washer and nut will produce at the same time, just as submerged, uninsulated wires do. And the unit will leak when you loosen a nut to turn the bolt, unless it seals with very little pressure.
I have been toying with the idea of a round plate that fits inside a clear T tube, attached to a piston with a sealing rings on the back side, long enough to seal the T portion at full contact. and then the adjusting bolts.
The amps do seem to go up with closer spacing, but there has to be a optimum spacing when compared to output, and I have a feeling that output is going to vary minutely as do amps, but heat increase per min will probably be the deciding factor. Another factor of heat, is voltage leaking on the edges, so sealing the edges on a set of tests is probably needed as well as unsealed edges.